religion in martial arts, why

ok !!!!1
i fancey a rant , one thing i have never got is this weird link to religions .
ya get these people who do martial arts and all of a sudden become enlightened ohmy.gif biggrin.gif
drives me chuffin mad , also people that thank thier relious icon for thier sucsess.
i made me , i trained and putt in the sweat , not some false god or icon .

anyway rant over .
feel free to rant back in either way .
no hard feelings just honest opinions
a rare thing theses days so enjoy biggrin.gif

cheers
matt

Not quite sure of any link to a religion, but most martial arts try to find enlighenment.

I think you can take this in many different forms.

I am getting quite into Zen.

Although often thought a religion, this is just a system of trying you to come to peace to yourself.

If you rememebr the bit in 'The Last Samurai' where he is trying to compete and loses. On;y of the warriors tells him he has 'to many minds'. This is Zen. To forget about things that you have no control over, accept things for what they are, deal with them tothe best of your ability.

I think this is something we all strive to acheive, but very often can't.

I still get wound up by the driver in front that cut me up.......I still shout at the radio when I here about some stupid new law or how someone who doesn;t derserve to be treated well..is. LOL Very un Zen like.

I think it's paying off though....of late in class I am seeing things very easyily where the students around me seem to be making things very difficult.

I do like the old saying :

QUOTE
Beginners make things easy...while experts make things hard


I know this is not what you orginally posted, but as I was reading it I don;t think I have seen religion, but I do see this path to Enlighenment

merlyn

i mean tings like
mr geoff thompson a great chap , and i really like him, top level martial artist , with a great career , some good books ect.
but he must insist on saying that he owes it all to god !!!!!!!!

or ya sat there watching ufc , a good fight (and knowt godly)
and at the end the fighter will stand up and say " i would like to thank god !!!!! "

what a pile of cack

first off they have just batterd some chap half to death (offering him a brain hemerage) and then thank god for the ability to do that.
now i have competed , at a national level all in kickboxing ,thai and mma , at no time as i was pummeling the shite out of my oponent or strangleing the last breath out of the bugger did i feel god had anything to do with it .
no rather pure need to compete and win (a very un godly thing )
and inflickt personal injury on another human being (not to godly)
now i aint into god , never been interested to maybe i miss the point

strange stuff

matt

I think in the conext you have mentioned here...

People often feel the need to feel humble.

To be seen to be humble in the eyes of some supreme being is possibly the most humble pie you can eat :-)

Personnally I beleive in myself and those I surround myself with.

I have a hard time with religion.

merlyn

true dat biggrin.gif

i have always believed it to be a cop out , a way of dodgeing the responsability of being a human being , and gaining forgivness for things that the person should'nt have done .
never done better than
the life of brian .
cheers
matt

Personally i believe in GOD. I believe there is only one GOD . I also believe in jesus but as a messenger of GOD and not as his son .
Religion is a take it or leave it thing in my opinion. If someone wants to believe in the creator and follow a religion i say leave them to it.

farhad ali

If I read Matts post correctly..........

The question wasn't if you beleived in God, but rather why do people often have to associate Martial Arts with some religious purpose.

Bearing in mind that most religeous texts try to promote non violence, to have something that is inherantly violent associated with it often makes one wonder!

merlyn

spot on mate
i'm not judgeing religon , that is the inderviduals choice , and good on you if you find peace in it.
but as merlyn said my question was about why mix
it's kinda like vegitarians that eat chicken and fish ?!?!?!?!?!?! WHY !
eather eat living things and deal with it or dont , ya cant say fish isnt meat , IT CHUFFIN IS .

cheers
matt

One of my favorite qoutes from 'Full Metal Jacket'......

QUOTE
You write "Born to Kill" on your helmet and you wear a peace button. What's that supposed to be, some kind of sick joke?

merlyn

very true mate .
i am what i am , there's knowt hidden here .
i love what i do , and i'm under no misconception of it's purpose .
and i am totaly at peace with it all .
as i have said before " i aint never started a fight " seen the end of a few tho.
cheers
matt

read this

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,2...5005961,00.html

I wrote this brilliant erudite answer and my broadband crashed before I could upload it.
Probably for the best, just the old gummer babbling on again.