MMA and Cage fighting

i dont know about you people but i was thinking weather MMA or cage fighting can be or cannot be classed as a martial art. Simply in cage fighting you fight till your opponent submits of get KO`d But anyone can knock a person out?. Yes i dont doubt there is skill and stamina needed and alot of guts but i dont see where you can call it a martial arts Same as MMA (if they are the same) MMA its not a true martial art it`s bits and bob put together to make a style sorry if you guys think i am going on lol. Please correct me if i`m wrong as it would be good to hear your views

Lots of my friends are well interested in this side of Martial Arts. To be honest I can;t seem to get interested in it.

I guess I am to 'tradtional' for my own good LOL

well i teach mma , we combine thai and bjj , both fairly mainstreme .
i have fought in mma events and find them a good test of skill .
enjoy the challenge .
but as to the question is it a martial art , as much as thai boxing is or kickboxing , bjj or judo ect .
i do also teach trad arts (kenpo,shotokan,wadu ryu)
and most trad arts ( which i do love ) are either standing or ground orientated (all 3 of mine are standing )
the mma game gave me a 3 dimensional style .
the problem is that most people thinking of mma think "ufc"
thats like thinking of a restarant and there only being mcdonalds .
cross training is a great thing .

cheers
matt

i know alot of people like cage fighting and it is hard core.

less dangerous than boxing .
the constant pounding with a 10 oz glove does more brain damage than anything .
in mma the glove weight is 3 oz , so seems more brutal but more humane in the long run .
i fought kickboxing and thai , and after every fight excrutiateing headaches and neck ache from the blows to the head , had more bruseing and cuts from mma but less long term damage.
also with the ground submission being the useual method of choice leading to less strikes .

cheers
matt

Anyone feel controversial I do, here goes and I'm sure someone will want to shoot me down.
Cage fighting and ufc is for wimps who can't hack it the streets, they want the support of rules and a ref without the chance of danger or serious harm.
I know people do get hurt but not as much as outside the pub on a saturday night, not as much as I got fighting thai rules ('cos you can't dive on the floor in Thai).
Personally I think it's for self stackers in Morrisons.
As for cross training more the better, if you can ever wangle a ballet/ gymnastic class - do it, apart from gorgeous ladies the stretching is criminal.
Try anything one - even cage fighting but don't pretend:-
a) it proper fighting
b) it's a martial art

some good points there prof i never thought of it like that

if this is the case what about
all ring and sport based art or olympic
tkd
thai
kickboxing
mma
bjj
judo
kumite.
none of these are
a) a propper fight's
b) martial arts
if that is the opinion
we have to put this into perspective .
i have fought all 3 ,kickboxing , thai and mma .
and trust me there is no cop out in mma, when you have someone in mount dropping elbows in your face.
i also teach self defence , have made a good carear out of it to, have worked the door for 12 years ( still do) and deal with violent people most nights , in the ruffest clubs in our area. and have done a bit of minding in the past .
in my last thai fight there was a no spinning backfist rule , no spinning back elbow , no over head elbows,no butts ect.
these are rules ?? , this is not street!!!.
is a clinch no different to diveing to the floor , you may say "aaahhhh!!! but i can knee in the clinch and elbow" , you can knee and elbow on the ground ,as well as submissions?.
i believe everything has it's place , and no i dont agree with all the hype.
but hey !!!no different to the hype tkd got a few years ago , don't see people slamming that , but they would'nt .
the ufc is a brand and a product, try lookin up k1 romanex , they are aloud to head butt and kicks to the head on the ground , also all the spinning elbow , backfist ect.
i believe (TO ME)kenpo is the greatest art ( thats why i do it) but if i was so supperior to slam other's for not doing my great art then i would never have progressed.
and yes i teach kickboxing , thai and mma, i also understand it's horses for courses .
i have trained with trad (stand up)guy's and taken them to the ground
( they're like turtles) lost ?, near on half street fights end up on the floor , and before you say thats fiction , i do work the door , i throw burbery out the door most nights .
there are weakness's in every art EVERY ART.

so if we are to say that mma is NOT a martial art then we must say neither is
judo?!?!?!
bjj ?!?!?!?!
sombo
sumo
kickboxing
thai boxing (non boran)
tkd
sport karate & kumite
any sport kung fu

the list goes on .

well actually anything that aint a full blown street fight


remember most mma guy's use thai and bjj , or judo.
what about caperera , tai chi !!!!!!

as usuall on the other side ( as alway i agree in some aspects )
the words martial arts depict the art of war.
and if thats the case then this is right and only art disaplines that train their students for war , killing and fighting to the death for our beliefs and culture would be true MARTIAL ARTS .
the rest are mere imposters , clingers on .

you see there can be no middle ground with opinions or beleifs
that is the nature of our training, no sitting on the wall.

either you discredit all non war based arts as "not martial arts" or you let them all exist under the umbrella .


cheers
matt " the un popular" follain :-)

To be fair, id love and probably pay good money to see a so called "street fighter" step into the cage against some one like Brad Pickett or Mike Bisping, hell, it'd be over before i blinked but it would be funny as hell!!!!!!