Traditional or Modern

what's Modern Martial Arts got that traditional Martial arts havent???
and what can traditional Martial arts teach the modern arts???

Jediwarrior

Perhaps I am am best to reply here as I study Clasical arts and work in an industry that requires a modern interpretation.

I think that all Martial Arts are clasicial in one form or another. It is
only he interpretation that changes as the circumstance requires.

I have often practiced several Gyaku Waza (Locking and restraining)
classically in the Dojo. I have been able to apply these to a modern
working enviroment, but the forum have been shorter, the postures not
so obvious.

I think we have discussed in other threads the mental aspect of a confrontation. i think that is what seperates the two.

Classically
I will face a swordsman, but he has no real intent to harm me. Modern I
wiull have a knife weilding idiot that does want to hurt me. My
technique is the same, only my mental attitude differs.

Merlyn

the way i see it is this , and please dont take offence , i consider
tkd , kickboxing ect as modern and arts like kung fu , kenpo , karate ,
ju jitsu as trad .
it is in the content .

i teach kenpo , the
full epack system , it is a lifetimes work , i have student that have
been with me 6/7 years and are only half way thru the written sylybus ,
in 10 years they will still be going
"aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i get it"

i also teach kickboxing , i have student here that have been with me 1 year and are looking for things to do .

most modern arts are fastracks to a black belt with little content .

so to cut it short , it's a society thing , the modern arts are water'd down shells , aimed to the masses.
the trad arts are full complex arts full of principles and concepts that will take a lifetime .

and this has knowt to do when the art was born
age wise there is little between say kenpo and tkd, to bain a black in kenpo 10 yrs to gain a black in tkd 2yrs.

like i said this is not personal against any art .
i teach modern and trad arts , it's what suits the individual.

cheers
matt


matt.k.f.s

I agree with you Matt.

If people turn up to train I always ask their motivation.

If it is to defend themsleves or to compete, then I direct them towards a kickboxing or judo class.

I
am by no means saying these are easier to learn, but you are able to
reach a far more competent level far more quickely than a large
classical style.

I have been studying this classical style for 20 years and there is still loads I haven;t seen that I have to try and learn.

Merlyn

i know in kung fu that in western world we
train different to the chinese. In we train alot faster and notas they
would in china. In china if u train with the sholin monks u will prob
just work on stances for about a year and do this everyday till ur
strong then progess. everywhere else and in most styles u learn how to
punch kick defend and spar in alot shorter time span. People in the
western world wont to learn more in a shorter time. sorry if i`ve gone
of track here

Jediwarrior

tiz true sadly , we live in a fast food nation , like in the states , and everyone wants a fast track to sucsess.
sadly as we know there is no fast track ,.
i
get students come to me and say " i wanna be able to do what you can" ,
and i try to explain that it's taken 26 yrs at 5 nights a week , plus
gym work and theory to get where i am , most of my students do 1 night
a week , i have about a dozen that do 2/3 , non at all that do more .
they
just want to buy it and dont realise true skill , and ability comes
from hours or repetative hard work., sacrfice , dedication ect

cheers
matt


matt.k.f.s

exactly people
wont thing now and i`ve found in the last 10-15yrs people wont it
quicker without puttin in the hard work. I always say to people u wont
it u work for it. My instructor has always said here is a black belt
here is the standered u wont it rise to the challange work hard train
hard and u will reach the target u only get out wot u put in



Jediwarrior

Ahh a chance to tell one of my favorite stories :-)

A young monk once asked the senior monk how long it would take him to reach enlightenment.

'40 years!', replied the senior monk.

'What if I studyed all day, every day of the week?', asked the young monk.

'60 years!', replied the senior monk.

'What is I studied harder than anyone else here?', asked the young monk.

'80 years!'. replied the senior monk.

'Why, every time I say I will try harder, do you say it will take me longer?' asked teh young monk.



'With one eye on the destination, you only have one eye to follow the path!' was the reply.


I do like that one LOL :-)

merlyn

that is a good one chap.
cheers
matt.k.f.s

thats not bad

jediwarrior

Hi! Guys
New here, hope I don't upset anyone with my first post!

But the answer to the first part of the original question, is, modern martial arts have moved on and adapted to modern society where attack on the streets have become more frequent and brutal, modern arts have looked at criminal physiology (why criminals do what they do, and to who they do them to and why!) then have tried to build a defence against them! Know your enemy!!

But saying that people like Russell Stutely have managed to find the balance between traditional techniques and modern application.

But all techniques should be stress tested to see how they would perform...it's not the real thing, but then how REAL do anyone of us want to get!!

The traditional arts are where most of the modern stuff, came from, not much is new, only rediscovered!!

Hi! Guys
New here, hope I don't upset anyone with my first post!

But the answer to the first part of the original question, is, modern martial arts have moved on and adapted to modern society where attack on the streets have become more frequent and brutal, modern arts have looked at criminal physiology (why criminals do what they do, and to who they do them to and why!) then have tried to build a defence against them! Know your enemy!!

But saying that people like Russell Stutely have managed to find the balance between traditional techniques and modern application.

But all techniques should be stress tested to see how they would perform...it's not the real thing, but then how REAL do anyone of us want to get!!

The traditional arts are where most of the modern stuff, came from, not much is new, only rediscovered!!

u wont upset no one pal it`s you`r views and forum needs honest answers to questions.

The traditional arts are where most of the modern stuff, came from, not much is new, only rediscovered!!

As I studyt a 'traditional' art, I fully agree.

I don;t think we live in more viloent times.............

Historically speaking...people getting killed in the street was a daily occurance..hardly worthy of the news covereage it gets these days. That is because 'really' violent crime is not that common.

I think the people that sell............'Street fighting' arts are nothing more than scare mongers preying on the worries and fears of others.

I have often been asked to teach self defence or 'street fighting' and declined as I feel these things can;t be taught to people.

It's like driving a car.you study to pass the test then learn experience when your on the road. No one can teach you the experience you need to deal with a real life situation. You can prepare people for the test...but they have to learn themselves as they meander through life LOL ;-)

Speaking of fear.............I was watching 'I'm with Bussey!' on MTV the other day. He came up with a great line that I remembered and will use in future.........

Never be afraid because of fear. F.E.A.R is False Evidence Appering Real ..........ignore it and your never afraid

Clever guy that LOL

Thanks for the reply, good to get feeback
From my view point..and this may me getting old But when I was growing up in east London, kids could play outside, now kids are shooting other in car parks and on the streets as drugs become more available and gang culture blows out of control...!! I don't think it's "scare monders preying on the worries and fears of others" Think it's the people who feel scared, and look for help. Most self protection Instructors teach awarness and avoidance training...and in recent years the NHS has found an increase in assults on staff, Police have more armed officers on the street....was that ever heard of ten or twenty years ago?

Maybe it's just me

Some fair and vaild points there mate....................

I would counter some of them by saying that people have always been assualted and killed on teh streets. Drugs have been around since the 60's. Hospital staff have been assualted since drunks first went into hospital :-).

What has changed is the world is getting smaller and there are so many news sources around.you just hear more of it.

I live out on teh arse end of the country so I am not realy one to comment on inner city living..........but I do recall reading a book on the Krays. In their time, peaple could walk about without fear, leave teh doors unlocked, knowing that these guys would sort out any petty theft in the area. Yet they were big time gangsters, just joe average wasn;t aware of this ( or at least not fully aware of just how nasty they were).

I think the media has a lot to do with peoples fear. I work in the security industry and recent reports of domestic violence are increasing. Does this mean more women are being assulted or that more women are aware that they can report it and are doing so?

This makes the figures look bad as domestic violence is on the increase.rather that it has always been there.only now you are being told the figures.

It's true people are better at reporting violence, and vioence has been around since man...but you would think things would have gotten better, not worst. It's true the news like agood story, and as the media are saying now, it just seems there is no respect..for the very old or the very young!

The Krays were villan nothing more nothing less, but what it came down to was the people of the east end knew each other, neighbours knew each other. Now it seems it's "look after number one" or "do it to them before they do it to you"

I am getting old....

It's nice talking to you Merlyn...Do you know Mark, bob and Steve from banbury?

There is a good discussion going on here and some very good and valid answers and point being put forward

but you would think things would have gotten better, not worst

I think we are going backwards in going forwards.................more technology does`t mean a better life.
Society is teaching people to be selfish and self centered.
I think thats why we enjoy the brotherhood of Martial Arts. To spend time with like minded individuals whom you respect and who respect you.

A better life

Yep I know Mark and the gang. They were down here training recently.